Here, I'll respond to more miscellaneous pro-abortion bumper stickers, T-shirts, et cetera.
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This is an ad hominem circumstantial. I can still say we should stop this illegal and pointless war in Iraq, even if I've never been there myself. I can tell parents not to beat their children even if I'm not a parent myself. I can say the South shouldn't have supported slavery even if I'm not in a position to own slaves. Morality is a function of reality and reality isn't going to change just because Bob the anti-abortion person is male. No matter how many men are anti-abortion, abortion will still be immoral. It is worth noting, however, that this only counts anti-abortion leaders; females are more often pro-life and a majority of rank-and-file pro-life activists are female.
This also applies to "no uterus no opinion".
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Your child is not your body. It is therefore no more your choice than child abuse.
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Another circumstantial ad hominem. Also mixed with a simple ad hominem. Not only is it racist, it assumes trying to save the lives of billions makes you "self-important" or "greedy".
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Your baby has no political beliefs you idiot! It's a [freaking] baby! Although, evolution has installed in most species a basic primal urge to survive. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that, if anything, your baby is against abortion. Unless, you know, the baby's suicidal.
EDIT: Wait, "baby"? Not "parasite", "products of conception", "seahorse", "mass of cytoplasm", "blob of tissue", "tumor", or "uterine squatter"?
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Nobody is "cut[ing] off [your] reproductive choice". You are perfectly free to use a condom, or be abstinent, or get sterilized, or do absolutely anything you want with your reproductive system as long as you do not hurt anyone else. And, even if we were cutting off your reproductive choice, there's a huge difference between that and physically mutilating you.
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There are too many of these to count. "Coat hangers are for coats." Remember that next time you think it's a good idea to shove one up your [vagina].
Let me make something clear:
Those who are anti-abortion are against coat hanger abortions. Why?
- They tend to kill the mother.
- They tend to kill the child.
However, the end does not justify the means. Rape is illegal, and, as a consequence, dangerous. You can get STDs (or STIs, as they are now called), be hurt when she fights back, et cetera. It would be so much safer if we had special rape centers where women are kidnapped, tested for STIs, and drugged, right? Yes and no. We would make things safer for the rapist, but not for the rape-ee. Not to mention that most illegal abortions before 1973 were done by doctors. Roe just made them legal, not safer. Before you try to tell me Roe saved lives, I want to point out that any calculation of "lives saved" must take into account the lives of the prenates that were lost.
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All "personal" "decisions" must be debated politically to insure that they are either. No decision is personal that harms another person. Parents have, to an extent, a right to choose how to raise their children. This does not make child abuse a personal decision. This also applies to "Who Decides?" and "Get the government out of our lives!". Whether or not the prenate is a person is independent of you.
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The "pro-choice" movement is, in fact, the stupid idea that women own their children's bodies. Nobody is saying you don't own you own body; we are saying that your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of someone else's nose.
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There is no god.
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Because not letting you kill your baby is exactly like putting you in shackles. Nice ad misericordiam. Aww, you were raped? That's so sad! Go ahead and kill your baby.
That's just sick. Rape is a violent offense, but so is abortion. A raping B does not give B the right to kill C. NOTE: I have a question for the readers: Why the separate mention of incest? If the incest wasn't consensual, it's covered by "rape". If is was, WTF's the problem‽
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I'll let this quote from http://prolifetraining.com/Articles/Five-Bad-Ways.htm deal with this.
Mistake #1: confuse objective claims with subjective ones
When pro-life advocates say that elective abortion is morally wrong because it unjustly takes the life of a defenseless child, they are making a particular type of claim.[6] Specifically, they are making a moral claim about the rightness or wrongness of abortion. Of course, moral claims can sometimes be mistaken, as for example, when a man equates eating peanuts with racial genocide. But just because the claim is false does not mean it’s purely subjective. The man making it is not offering an opinion; he’s claiming to be right.
Many people, however, misconstrue the kind of claim the pro-lifer is making in order to respond to one they like better, thus avoiding the hard work of demonstrating why, exactly, the pro-lifer is mistaken. Consider the following responses to the moral claim, “Elective abortion is morally wrong.”
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We aren't saying we don't trust you, just that it's one "option" is immoral. Although, if you were thinking of having an abortion, I'd sure as hell call Child Protective Services; someone who has demonstrated homicidal tendencies or thoughts is clearly not a suitable parent.
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Yeah, this makes perfect sense. Disagreeing with someone's political and/or ethical beliefs is exactly like standing on their back. Whatever.
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You're the archetypal American moron. Way to fulfill the stereotype. I laugh at your unbelievable ignorance. And you're a woman! Wow. As a Canadian, I didn't believe people like you actually existed.
When did I claim I was a woman?
i'll support pro-life if you agree which of you we get to remove you from the jean pool and take away your rights to choose that.
Congrats you just proved to the world how ignorant you are! IF you are so opposed to abortion dont have one but you can not make the decision for all the other women who don not share the same view as you.
Not to mention that if you were to get your way and abortion became illegal women will still find a way to abort thier pregnancies it will just be in a dangerous manner that has the potential to kill both the baby and the mother.
Stop vilianizing Pro- choice women. We are not stupid or ignorant. We are not murderers or godless we are just supporting the ability for women to chose the path they want thier lives to take.
(If I was in a situation with an unwanted pregancy i would choose) adoption. they key word in that statement is choose.)
Against slavery? Don't own one!
Against child abuse? Don't hit one!
Against rape? Don't commit one!
Should we legalize rape, arson, and kidnapping to make it safer to commit said crimes?
And, FYI, I never called you godless. It'd be a pretty lame insult if I did, since I'm an atheist.
"Aww, you were raped? That's so sad! "
Sounds pretty heartless to me.
Also, your first paragraph is logically flawed. It's not physically impossible for men to be sent to war, own a slave, etc. Conversely, the chance of a man ever needing an abortion is zero.
You are also stating your opinion, "abortion will still be immoral", as if it's a fact. Another logical fallacy.
Your *opinion* on abortion IMMATERIAL, as per the Supreme Court's decision in 1973. Choice is the law of the land - you have made your choice to never have an abortion. Must be nice to have CHOICE, unlike all those poor women in CHINA who have their pregnancies forcible terminated for violating the 'One-Child Policy', HOW DOES IT FEEL TO HAVE CHOICE NOW??? Damn good, I bet.
Both anti-choicers and pro-choicers have a vested interest in preventing unwanted pregnancies - so instead of whining on the internet - why don't you do something that supports contraception technologies? Hand out condoms lately? Fund another women's birth control recently? Educate anyone on their birth control options lately? What have YOU done lately to prevent an unwanted pregnancy or an abortion?
Must be nice to sit up there on your pedestal of anti-choice propaganda, some day why don't you come down into the trenches and find out what's it's like to really help women by providing them comprehensive birth control options.
~A Pro-Choice, Buddhist Midwife who's also a Mother
First of all, God does exist. I have seen His angels in physical appearance; and no, I'm not crazy. My sister has seen me talking to them herself. Secondly, it says in His Word that the greatest gift from God are children. But just look at the world today. You've got homosexuals being praised for their evil ways, murderers/rapists/pedophiles/etc. receiving a slap-on-the-wrist of a punishment for their wicked deeds, STD's, disease, greed, slander, and countless other dark deeds that are slowly destroying mankind. I love Adonai with everything I am, the same with Jesus the Christ, but just knowing that I have to be a human being alongside sick people like most of you who commented on this guys blog utterly disgusts me. Yes, I am disgusted at the fact that I am a human being. I feel tainted by the sins of this age. I am a student of the Enochian System. According to Hebrew mythology, Enoch (who walked with God for over 300 years) was transformed into the High Seraph Metatron (or Archangel Metatron). I personally do not support feminism; it is an abomination, a blemish on the face of Jehovah God Almighty, the Most High God Above All. At least half of you people may not believe in God, or even Metatron, or any other Being of Light, but believe me when I say that they are all just as real as the screen from which you read these words, just as demons and the King of Sin Lucifer are. For you unbelievers out there who aren't having any troubles in life, you can all thank the god of this world (Lucifer) for that. He has to support those who support him in his failed attempt to overthrow Father from His place. In order for him to collect souls, he needs your help and you all are doing a mighty fine job at making sure he succeeds because you all have tripped over the stumbling blocks that God set to challenge you, bumped your heads, and it has caused you all to go blind, deaf, and dumb to the Holy Fire of Yaweh. When I have completed my training in Enochian High Magick years from now, I will begin purging demons out from God's earth and will begin rebuilding His One True Establishment here on Earth. I have heard God speak with a voice that booms louder than thunder and deeper than the deepest abyss in the Atlantic, and this is what he has commanded me to do. So go ahead, continue with your "Pro-Choice" evils. But God will never let you all destroy His Creation. When the time is set, He will descend upon us all and the evil ones shall perish. I am not trying to push my beliefs onto anyone, I am simply giving you the "choice" (keyword there) to save yourselves from damnation and instead look to enlighten yourself and one day return back to God and be a part of Him again. We are all from God, and He is within each and every one of us, though you all may not know it, believe it, or even want to believe it. There is so much more to this life than just science and physics people. I will teach you everything I know so far; I will gather 1,000 people if I could save just a single soul from that crowd. I seek to become a being that is higher than a human being, so that I can become closer to God. Everyone else should do the same and I truly wish they would. For those of you who are unbelievers in Him, I am deeply sorry that I was not able to bring you into the light, and I apologize even more for whatever punishments await you in your final destination.
-A Masculinity-Supporting, Loving Brother Of Mankind (though utterly disgusted at mankind's current ways), and rising Enochian, who is a father of two
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